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Project Roadster

on Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:16 pm
I got the DA polisher out again this afternoon - the older clear coat is so much tougher to work on than the modern (well 2010) stuff!!!

Not perfect, but considerably better.

On Thursday it's off for a new Top breather hose as the one is has doesn't have a one way valve - serious bodge!! Also getting the flappy paddles and horn sorted. The breather should cure the oil leak, and concentrate the airflow into the correct places...... more power. It's only 8- bhp, but much fun!

Next job is to replace the rusty bonnet hinges and one of the roof bars.....


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Re: Project Roadster

on Fri Aug 31, 2018 7:36 am
They are cool looking little go karts

I'll drop the wires Qashqai off for you to sort the paintwork Very Happy
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Re: Project Roadster

on Fri Aug 31, 2018 7:07 pm


It's an interesting little car, mogs lives in like that area where I would have thought they would be popular. Anyhoo the last time I saw one it was parked forlornly outside a garage looking like they wanted to sell it, but needed to work on it first.

We will see how if goes with Hugh !


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Re: Project Roadster

on Sat Sep 01, 2018 5:47 pm
Oooffff!


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Re: Project Roadster

on Sat Sep 01, 2018 6:06 pm
Ouch
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Re: Project Roadster

on Sat Sep 01, 2018 6:25 pm
Indeed - looks like the turbo has lunched upon its oil! Caught it quickly, engine oil level was still fine. Hopefully no damage aside from a new turbo!

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Re: Project Roadster

on Sat Sep 01, 2018 9:39 pm
Oh dear - didn't even know you had a new motor!
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Re: Project Roadster

on Sat Sep 01, 2018 10:23 pm
Oooooh dear. Hope it's not too serious Hugh.

The 'rents had their new windscreen put in yesterday.
Will hopefully get the car back on the road soon.
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Re: Project Roadster

on Sat Sep 01, 2018 11:25 pm
Time for a new turbo, I feel.....

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Re: Project Roadster

on Sun Sep 02, 2018 7:41 am
Will you be letting the seller know? You only just got it. Not that it changes anything of course but just for their info.
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Re: Project Roadster

on Sun Sep 02, 2018 7:59 am
MegaCrixel wrote:Will you be letting the seller know? You only just got it. Not that it changes anything of course but just for their info.

Already let him know. He's told me the best place to get a replacement - proper MB one. Still not too happy about it. He runs the Roadster forum, and his F-I-L is a Smart "specialist". BUT he bodged the replacement of the timing chain ending up with an oil leak. He also failed to notice the fact it didn't have a proper top breather when he serviced it.

Just getting a price for a replacement turbo.

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Re: Project Roadster

on Sun Sep 02, 2018 9:37 am
Was just looking at smart turbos, Smart Tecnic quote £550 to supply and fit

Is it a specialist job on a smart or would most mechanics be able to sort it?
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Re: Project Roadster

on Sun Sep 02, 2018 10:10 am
Paul123 wrote:Was just looking at smart turbos, Smart Tecnic quote £550 to supply and fit

Is it a specialist job on a smart or would most mechanics be able to sort it?


Probably best for a Smart Specialist - but not the one that did the timing chain! Many garages won't touch Smarts; I guess due to the lack of room around the engine bay.

£550 sounds cheap to me. It's about that for the genuine part. Shall google it!

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Re: Project Roadster

on Sun Sep 02, 2018 10:16 am
http://www.smarttecnic.co.uk/turbocharger-units-the-options/

It was mentioned on there about cracked exhaust manifolds
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Re: Project Roadster

on Wed Sep 05, 2018 4:19 pm
i'd let the forum know that their Almighty master sold a dud
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Re: Project Roadster

on Wed Sep 05, 2018 4:43 pm
Yes. Is there something a wee bit fishy going on here? Or is it just coincidence?
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Re: Project Roadster

on Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:49 am
So, photo of leak on Head Gasket / Chain cover below. The advert mentions engine overhaul and new timing chain by M&M - a Smart specialist. On Tuesday they offered me a free second hand turbo, off an engine he has in his workshop. I am going to accept this - probably worth £150 at best!

I emailed the seller (he runs the Roadster forum), my email and his reply below. Effectively it says that because it was family / weekend / mates rates, there is no warranty to the work done!


Hi Paul / David

Further to previous emails / telephone conversations with you both, the Roadster was put up onto a ramp today. The leak area was inspected - the oil is coming form the area around the chain cover / head gasket. I understand from Mark that the chain was accessed and changed via the rocker cover (removal) and the chain cover. My local Smart specialist suggests the best way to sort the problem is to take the head and chain cover off to replace the gasket as it’s likely the gasket is damaged - I have been quoted £750 for this work, including the fitting of the turbo you have kindly offered.

The turbo failure is, as I said to Mark on the phone yesterday, one of those things that could happen on day one, or years later.

I realise that buying a second hand car privately is very much A CASE of “buyer beware”, but as the car was advertised as having a new timing chain and mechanical overhaul by M&M Motors (a considerable selling point), I feel it reasonable to ask if there was any warranty to the work carried out?

I attach photos from today, and a screen grab from the advert. Any contribution to the cost, in addition to the offer of the turbo, would be most welcome. I look forward to your thoughts.

Mark - my address is XXXXXXXXXXX. Please send bank details so I can transfer funds for postage and packing as discussed.


Best Regards


Hugh



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Hi Hugh,

I’m afraid there isn’t any warranty given or implied on the car. I’m not trade or any such automotive profession. This project was simply to save a Roadster that would otherwise have gone to the scrapyard. I asked Mark to do me a favour (as a family member) and help me put this back on the road – because he’s family and didn’t charge me labour, and because I trust his workmanship. I didn’t pay him for the repair so there is no warranty provided from him to me to pass on to you – it was simply done as a favour and I covered the costs of the parts.

If I had paid Mark market rates and been in a position to warranty the car, I would have had to price this at around £3500-£4000 which is the sort of money that smart specialists charge as they are well aware of the risks of selling a Roadster and what can go wrong unexpectedly at any moment.

I see he’s kindly offered to provide you with a replacement turbo. I know from experience that a 2nd hand turbo is worth £200-£300 currently as a new genuine Roadster one is £800+ from Mercedes. So I do hope that you take Mark’s offer to supply the turbo as gesture of goodwill and don’t worry about the postage costs – I will square those with Mark.

A lesson I have learnt is not to embark on such a project again – this was all about saving a Roadster and has turned into a lot of stress.
But with the £750 repair done, you will have that nicely running roadster and not have to find another £800 on top for the turbo.

I hope that’s satisfactory?

David



My thoughts - along the lines of Spot! He told me a turbo (new reconditioned) is about £540, as we have found out. When I bought the car he mentioned something about giving the bulk of the money to his F-I-L. I'm going to "keep my powder dry", until I'm in receipt of the turbo. I know it's all about buyer beware, but when you look at the advert from a significant member of the Roadster community, quoting a fix by a "specialist", you do wonder!

The V5 turned up yesterday - no previous owner on front cover. Data protection. Is it an "opt out thing". I never checked the previous one, and now wonder if the F-I-L was the last one?! Trader?!







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Re: Project Roadster

on Thu Sep 06, 2018 11:29 pm
Ooh - bloody private sellers hey !!!
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Re: Project Roadster

on Fri Sep 07, 2018 6:37 am
Well, yesterday he sent me an email offering an additional cash sum to "match" the contribution of the garage that did the work!

I think he thought it through and realised that my posting the above pictures might not go down too well in the Smart Roadster community?!

Now looking forward to getting the car fixed.

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Re: Project Roadster

on Fri Sep 07, 2018 6:39 am
hugh121 wrote:Well, yesterday he sent me an email offering an additional cash sum to "match" the contribution of the garage that did the work!

I think he thought it through and realised that my posting the above pictures might not go down too well in the Smart Roadster community?!

Now looking forward to getting the car fixed.

I do think they both missed a trick. If they had said they would sort the problem if I got the car back to them the I'd have been stuffed. Wouldn't spend £270 to get it to them only to have to go up to Essex to collect.... and still have to pay for the turbo to be fitted.



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Re: Project Roadster

on Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:54 am
You had the leverage that his reputation was worth protecting, whether he had been at fault or not
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Re: Project Roadster

on Fri Sep 07, 2018 1:48 pm
Paul123 wrote:You had the leverage that his reputation was worth protecting, whether he had been at fault or not

This ^^^^^^^^^^^

Not a black and white case for sure ..

£2000 - privately - pretty much sold as a project ... doesn't feel like the guy has tried to stitch you up.

Like when we have people who buy run down houses, make offers based on condition, and they its forever 'I want more money off, survey says it needs a new roof' ... well yes, you can see that from the holes in it !!!!!

On the other hand - that's a bit of bad luck .. but crucially for me 'Mechanical overhaul' ... well, not really is it !!!!

Hugh loves a bit of 'buy a new car disputes' Smile

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Re: Project Roadster

on Fri Sep 07, 2018 2:30 pm
Exactly - the bit where the seller failed IMO is those words ' mechanical overhaul' - now who wouldn't take that to mean something like...'fixed'?! Poor choice of wording really. To me, that means like...stuff has been fixed. When it hadn't really, it had been kinda...bodged.

So it's a bit of a result on your part.

And LK - come on - people will always try to get more money off....surely you would do the very same! Just like you will try to get as much money for each house for your clients, it has to work both ways dude Smile
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Re: Project Roadster

on Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:35 pm
For me it's the mention that M&M had done the timing chain and mechanical overhaul - this is a considerable selling point. This was done 6 weeks and 7 miles before my purchase of the car. The leak is as a direct result of the change of the timing chain - the rocker cover comes off and the chain cover. This is not the best way to do the job and risks a leak on the Head gasket / chain cover seal. The job was done by an expert. When I got the car there was a little oil around the engine bay, but I though this was due to the breather pipe (this turned out to be split, and the wrong part!). The proper way to do the chain change is to take the head and chain cover off.

So the expert had missed the oil leak he had caused and a breather pipe on top of the engine. I agree that they probably didn't miss it on purpose. I like to think neither has tried to stitch me up. Had they run the car a little bit more, then they would have noticed the oil leak.

Had the seller not mentioned who did the fix, I would have little chance of any contribution. The cash has been transferred to my account, and the turbo is being posted on Tuesday.

Had the job been done "through the books," (as implied in the advert?) I would expect (as the seller or the buyer) the garage / manufacturer to honour any warranty to their work. A bit like the replacement fuel pump on LK's BMW.
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Re: Project Roadster

on Fri Sep 07, 2018 6:10 pm
You did get a fairly good price on the car at 2000. I see they are going here at around 2800 pounds probably from a dealer where you can return it in 3 months if you have problems - I think not sure of the law.

So you got 800 pounds to play with I would say.




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